What was this shard like prior to the arrival of EEV and I-C, in terms of red presence ?
I get the feeling that large scale operations by reds was not normal, or perhaps rather rare ?
I would be most obliged if someone could give me an explanation (The lengthier & detailed the better) on what Felucca was like here prior to September 2004. In particular regarding red activity and 'shard alliances'.
I'm just trying to get a feel for the 'culture' on Drachenfels.
Thanks.
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I can't speak with the authority of a PvP er Villa, but as a taveller in Fel I can give you an adventurers view.
I'm surprised you don't remember what it was like though. You were here for a while scouting as I remember, in a loose alliance with EK. I should have known that was too good to be true.
Anyway, fel was in some decline before your team arrived I think.
A lot of the fighting in fel wasn't even red. It was just griefing blues against each other. Most of the old good red guilds had dissapeared with AoS. A lot of good people left then, red and blue.
The nerfing of thieves also took a lot of others.
The appalling state of the game for factions made still more go.
I know a lot of others were looking at Europa and were considering moves. Some looked at the free shards. We even lost a few to siege.
EK and other blue Guilds concentrated on the spawns but we were getting seriously bored. It was all too easy. Some small red guilds formed out of griefers and malcontents who thought that ruining other peoples game was the best buzz they could get. You've met some of those I believe.
When I-C arrived you certainly livened things up for the PvPers and even the PvM'ers amongst us got excited! You've certainly caused a few PvM ers to take up arms and become PvPers and if that extends their enjoyment then that's great.
The only black cloud was that some of us mistook good team play for cheating and we seriously thought you wanted to achieve champ spawn domination like some guilds in the US have done. I don't believe that's necessarilly true any more. I've seen you play. You play for the thrill of the kill, the chase, and victory through superior tactics. You also play with a sense of humour (mostly) But most of all you are together like a family.
To conclude, this shard was dying in respect of PvP before you came. Duels and griefing were the order of the day. The little red guilds were never a threat to anyoneexcept miners and AFK macroers. Hell, even I used to outrun them!
The shard is now well balanced it seems to me. We havea new predator in the jungle but you don't overdo it, and that's the way to keep everyone happy.
Sorry I rambled a bit there but I've wanted to get that off my chest for a few days now.
I'm surprised you don't remember what it was like though. You were here for a while scouting as I remember, in a loose alliance with EK. I should have known that was too good to be true.
Anyway, fel was in some decline before your team arrived I think.
A lot of the fighting in fel wasn't even red. It was just griefing blues against each other. Most of the old good red guilds had dissapeared with AoS. A lot of good people left then, red and blue.
The nerfing of thieves also took a lot of others.
The appalling state of the game for factions made still more go.
I know a lot of others were looking at Europa and were considering moves. Some looked at the free shards. We even lost a few to siege.
EK and other blue Guilds concentrated on the spawns but we were getting seriously bored. It was all too easy. Some small red guilds formed out of griefers and malcontents who thought that ruining other peoples game was the best buzz they could get. You've met some of those I believe.
When I-C arrived you certainly livened things up for the PvPers and even the PvM'ers amongst us got excited! You've certainly caused a few PvM ers to take up arms and become PvPers and if that extends their enjoyment then that's great.
The only black cloud was that some of us mistook good team play for cheating and we seriously thought you wanted to achieve champ spawn domination like some guilds in the US have done. I don't believe that's necessarilly true any more. I've seen you play. You play for the thrill of the kill, the chase, and victory through superior tactics. You also play with a sense of humour (mostly
) But most of all you are together like a family.To conclude, this shard was dying in respect of PvP before you came. Duels and griefing were the order of the day. The little red guilds were never a threat to anyoneexcept miners and AFK macroers. Hell, even I used to outrun them!
The shard is now well balanced it seems to me. We havea new predator in the jungle but you don't overdo it, and that's the way to keep everyone happy.
Sorry I rambled a bit there but I've wanted to get that off my chest for a few days now.
Weevil
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-+- played their reds lots when we first came here, you remember that Villa. They were certainly better than Jo.
Weevil, if a guild honestly felt we were attacking their champs too much, and this was a justifiable complaint, all they would need to do is contact us and we'd leave them for a bit. Probably only EK qualify for this in reality, but we'd consider it from pretty much anyone bar OMG(Biggest grouping of morons i've ever seen in UO) and ChG(ultra shittalkers).
We saw what AI did to Europa, champ guilds all left, no champs were EVER done, becouse they had so many people, ghost cams at all altars, they raided every single spawn. We have one ghost, at sanctum, and only one person has access to that account. We're so lazy that we don't scout at all most nights:( It's good to hear people are realising we're nothing like AI, and never want to be.
Weevil, if a guild honestly felt we were attacking their champs too much, and this was a justifiable complaint, all they would need to do is contact us and we'd leave them for a bit. Probably only EK qualify for this in reality, but we'd consider it from pretty much anyone bar OMG(Biggest grouping of morons i've ever seen in UO) and ChG(ultra shittalkers).
We saw what AI did to Europa, champ guilds all left, no champs were EVER done, becouse they had so many people, ghost cams at all altars, they raided every single spawn. We have one ghost, at sanctum, and only one person has access to that account. We're so lazy that we don't scout at all most nights:( It's good to hear people are realising we're nothing like AI, and never want to be.
What Calix said..
AoS has corrupted every shard out there, you can go to any shard, and you will automatically assume there is a large guild with 100+ members designed specifically for control and domination through weight of numbers.
One of the key things about Drachs is that this situation doesn't exist yet, I say yet as it is inevitable that one day it will happen.
The last thing we want to do is to ruin this situation, we like other guilds doing champs. We've actually discussed this situation at great lengths many times.
It's one of the biggest problems facing UO right now.
I explained it before like this, It's a foxs and rabbits situation, if you have too many foxs, then the rabbits will slowly die out. If large champ domination guilds destroy and prevent other guilds from doing champs then they are killing off their own rabbits.
The best way to maintain the environment we enjoy is to allow champ guilds to do spawns, to not dominate them completely. If you have a 10% chance of being raided it's an acceptable risk. When you do eventually get raided, you accept the fact that, sure, you just lost that time, but the next 9 times you'll more than likely win, and so keep trying.
On other larger shards, you have an almost 100% chance of losing any spawn you do, because of ghost cams and other nonsense, the problem is the guilds doing just don't understand or care what they're doing to their own environment.
AoS has corrupted every shard out there, you can go to any shard, and you will automatically assume there is a large guild with 100+ members designed specifically for control and domination through weight of numbers.
One of the key things about Drachs is that this situation doesn't exist yet, I say yet as it is inevitable that one day it will happen.
The last thing we want to do is to ruin this situation, we like other guilds doing champs. We've actually discussed this situation at great lengths many times.
It's one of the biggest problems facing UO right now.
I explained it before like this, It's a foxs and rabbits situation, if you have too many foxs, then the rabbits will slowly die out. If large champ domination guilds destroy and prevent other guilds from doing champs then they are killing off their own rabbits.
The best way to maintain the environment we enjoy is to allow champ guilds to do spawns, to not dominate them completely. If you have a 10% chance of being raided it's an acceptable risk. When you do eventually get raided, you accept the fact that, sure, you just lost that time, but the next 9 times you'll more than likely win, and so keep trying.
On other larger shards, you have an almost 100% chance of losing any spawn you do, because of ghost cams and other nonsense, the problem is the guilds doing just don't understand or care what they're doing to their own environment.
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First of all let's clear something out. Drachefels is FAR less populated than europa and i guess from most of Old americans shard. I think we are about the same as Legends atm.
Before u guys came here reds was smalls groups.Like 5 MAX 6 ppl. Usually -+- or Cashies. And believe me with the current pvp state on df 6 ppl was enough to take over spawn, cuz ppl doing spawn was like 6-8 and not pvp experianced... So it was a matter of Seconds actually to kill them.
Crack Rangers (C*R) used to play a lot with masses but when FC4-5 Patch was still on.1 Month before fc2 comes they moved to europa when they eventually got bored with AI perma dismounting and Athena kill them with super equip and axe and so they quited.
1 Day before AoS came Shard was FULL of oranges all over the place. There was a lot of guilds playing mostly in towns and pvping. After AoS they slowly all started dissapearing, even tho that pking thing with reds sounded promising.
About the shard ally: There is NOT EVEN a single guild that can match u the numbers u got atm.Meaning if u got 8 ppl online (i say including EVE) there is no guild with the same fair ammount of 8 ppl. Only guilds that in their best can reach 8 ppl atm is RMC, -+- maybe and cashies.
My guildl is max 3 ppl and at TOPS 4 !
So under these circumstances ppl need to ally each other to either kill when ur doing a spawn, or take over the spawn they just lost to u.
And even if they do u see it's very hard to kill u even with greater numbers. Reasons?
1) This guild thing stops the healing if attacker( Not that many will heal, but now healing is not an option if u in dif guidls)
2) Fighting 8 ORGANIZED reds and i repeat, ORGANIZED reds with 15 Random Blues , without even having the same target or the base X-heal trust it's impossible to kill.
3) Mostly newbies are left to felluca who can't team fight. All they can do is throw 3 random spells and that's it after that either they dead or like 15 screens away.
So with current DF situation, not having even 1 Guild capable to fight u , there will be no chance of seeing this DF ally going away. If bigger guilds appear maybe they will make some reds and do same style as u do atm.
But i doubt that will happen in the near future.
Most Veterans are gone... there are ONLY real veterans left on this shard... and trust me u will notice their presence.
That's all i had to say... Wish i had my guildmates here playing, we would have nice fights judging that TC used to be TOP pvp guild on DF vs I-C wich seem to have really nice team play and very organized in battle.
Greets, Theristis
Before u guys came here reds was smalls groups.Like 5 MAX 6 ppl. Usually -+- or Cashies. And believe me with the current pvp state on df 6 ppl was enough to take over spawn, cuz ppl doing spawn was like 6-8 and not pvp experianced... So it was a matter of Seconds actually to kill them.
Crack Rangers (C*R) used to play a lot with masses but when FC4-5 Patch was still on.1 Month before fc2 comes they moved to europa when they eventually got bored with AI perma dismounting and Athena kill them with super equip and axe and so they quited.
1 Day before AoS came Shard was FULL of oranges all over the place. There was a lot of guilds playing mostly in towns and pvping. After AoS they slowly all started dissapearing, even tho that pking thing with reds sounded promising.
About the shard ally: There is NOT EVEN a single guild that can match u the numbers u got atm.Meaning if u got 8 ppl online (i say including EVE) there is no guild with the same fair ammount of 8 ppl. Only guilds that in their best can reach 8 ppl atm is RMC, -+- maybe and cashies.
My guildl is max 3 ppl and at TOPS 4 !
So under these circumstances ppl need to ally each other to either kill when ur doing a spawn, or take over the spawn they just lost to u.
And even if they do u see it's very hard to kill u even with greater numbers. Reasons?
1) This guild thing stops the healing if attacker( Not that many will heal, but now healing is not an option if u in dif guidls)
2) Fighting 8 ORGANIZED reds and i repeat, ORGANIZED reds with 15 Random Blues , without even having the same target or the base X-heal trust it's impossible to kill.
3) Mostly newbies are left to felluca who can't team fight. All they can do is throw 3 random spells and that's it after that either they dead or like 15 screens away.
So with current DF situation, not having even 1 Guild capable to fight u , there will be no chance of seeing this DF ally going away. If bigger guilds appear maybe they will make some reds and do same style as u do atm.
But i doubt that will happen in the near future.
Most Veterans are gone... there are ONLY real veterans left on this shard... and trust me u will notice their presence.
That's all i had to say... Wish i had my guildmates here playing, we would have nice fights judging that TC used to be TOP pvp guild on DF vs I-C wich seem to have really nice team play and very organized in battle.
Greets, Theristis
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Suprisingly sensible post there Weevil, and you pretty much understand where we're coming from.
Theristis, I get your point about numbers. The problem is that we happily fight with just two, three of us etc, but within two minutes another 15 blues gate in. Kinda makes it hard to do when you're that popular
I-C is actually a guild of essentially solo pks. It's just been less and less viable as people seem to appear quicker and quicker when one of us appears. Honestly, we'd all love to just pk solo and in twos or so, because it's more fun.
Theristis, I get your point about numbers. The problem is that we happily fight with just two, three of us etc, but within two minutes another 15 blues gate in. Kinda makes it hard to do when you're that popular
I-C is actually a guild of essentially solo pks. It's just been less and less viable as people seem to appear quicker and quicker when one of us appears. Honestly, we'd all love to just pk solo and in twos or so, because it's more fun.
don't know whether anyone will believe this or not but i AM a drachs vet. drachs is the only shard i have ever played and i have played it since it was open 2 days. i did not start pvp till aos. yes that does make me an aos pvper 
. but i didn't know about the pvp scene till i actually got to know lamb cashies/CR/AIR/DIE/RMC/cashies were a large part of drachs all with reds jo! were here too but in small doses. saince aos hit i saw these fizzle out month by month to other shards and now theyt return but some are gone forever.
. but i didn't know about the pvp scene till i actually got to know lamb cashies/CR/AIR/DIE/RMC/cashies were a large part of drachs all with reds jo! were here too but in small doses. saince aos hit i saw these fizzle out month by month to other shards and now theyt return but some are gone forever.'don't mention agincourt to the french...they don't like the fact they got a good spanking': Mr Birthwhistle (a legend of our times)
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If you wanna learn about DF History u might wanna check out
www.team-cow.com (english and look into the archives)
www.looters.de ( german but still you might understand cashies better)
www.team-cow.com (english and look into the archives)
www.looters.de ( german but still you might understand cashies better)
OMG = No comment. They got 10 trash dexers they die like 10 times and when they finally kill u , they say : GO TO TRAMMEL.
I don't consider omg as a guild atm. What's new american guild Coming?
Bad thing with americans is that when it's 7:00 for us here for them it's peak time so nobody is on, and they can easily defend harry.
I got np problems with the ammounts of reds or they way they use to defend a harry. It's there spawn they can do whatever they want, so if i need to get in i need to pass defenses. Quite ok with me.
About not raiding spawn now:
Well it's up to u what u do and when u do and how u do .Sometimes u win sometimes we win.(ok u win more but that's not the point ) Only thing that might be annoying is that when u take over a spawn i never have enough guildmates to take it back So i start trying to get in with the blubie alliance as nixon says
If on DF there was 4-5 Guilds same ammounts with I-C - EVE then , it would be more competitive for all of us and i am sure u would get a lot better fights.
That would never work tho cuz no new ppl coming back and all old DF players have their guild and not willing to move somehow and get united with some other guild wich would be a start to better pvp.
And CHG are not really pvpers. They are champ hunters(CHG=Champ hunt Guild) with some basic knowledge in pvp. They never said they are good cuz they simply aren't.But sometimes they can handle some situations ok. C-I is DMR prolly changed abbreviation to kinda make fun of I-C abbr i guess.Bad one like AI-C.
But DMR was never good even when they played faction. They are average guild with average number of players also
I don't consider omg as a guild atm. What's new american guild Coming?
Bad thing with americans is that when it's 7:00 for us here for them it's peak time so nobody is on, and they can easily defend harry.
I got np problems with the ammounts of reds or they way they use to defend a harry. It's there spawn they can do whatever they want, so if i need to get in i need to pass defenses. Quite ok with me.
About not raiding spawn now:
Well it's up to u what u do and when u do and how u do
.Sometimes u win sometimes we win.(ok u win more but that's not the point ) Only thing that might be annoying is that when u take over a spawn i never have enough guildmates to take it back So i start trying to get in with the blubie alliance as nixon saysIf on DF there was 4-5 Guilds same ammounts with I-C - EVE then , it would be more competitive for all of us and i am sure u would get a lot better fights.
That would never work tho cuz no new ppl coming back and all old DF players have their guild and not willing to move somehow and get united with some other guild wich would be a start to better pvp.
And CHG are not really pvpers. They are champ hunters(CHG=Champ hunt Guild) with some basic knowledge in pvp. They never said they are good cuz they simply aren't.But sometimes they can handle some situations ok. C-I is DMR prolly changed abbreviation to kinda make fun of I-C abbr i guess.Bad one like AI-C.
But DMR was never good even when they played faction. They are average guild with average number of players also
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Well if it's about same numbers like 12 blus 8 of or 12 of u and 8 of blues yes it's fun, at least u have some chances winning
Even with greater numbers it's nice... I like it much more than running in an emty shard
But if it is 12 vs 2 well that not fun. i just say fuck it and log out
I like every fightt that gives me even 1% chances to win. If fight is at 0% then i simply quit it cuz we reach the pointless situation !
Even with greater numbers it's nice... I like it much more than running in an emty shard
But if it is 12 vs 2 well that not fun. i just say fuck it and log out
I like every fightt that gives me even 1% chances to win. If fight is at 0% then i simply quit it cuz we reach the pointless situation !
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