What happened?
Your explanation on legacy25.com about player attitude is a bit vague for me, I mean what was the issue? I'm not having a go but when I spend 2 months of pvm then am just starting to get into the pvp side of it and the plug is pulled, it would be nice to know the reasons behind that.
@noxin
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Yeah, understandable.
My original plan was simply to pull the plug and say screw 'em. But it was players like you that made me want to leave a quick announcment about it.
It's a combination of things really, I have had very little time to deal with it over the last week due to various reasons, and 1 week without my constant attention caused it to fall into a shit-state. 30 people online at peak, and of those 30, 25 were people I didn't like.
Cost was another factor, there was no way that donations would cover the continued running costs, again due to the type of player making up the majority of the playerbase. Originally I had been promised financial backing, but come opening this was withdrawn (Or completely dissapeared) leaving me with the difficult choice of financing it myself now we're ready or pulling the plug then.
Obviously I chose to pay out of my own pocket because I believed it would be capable of supporting itself because of the type of player it was aimed towards.
Time and stress, like I said in the announcment, the last 6 months have been spent with no lie more than 6 hours A DAY working on Legacy, most times more, and if I didn't do it, it would collapse, I was like Apollo holding up the world, only my shoulders aren't support enough. I knew a day would come when I feel the stress and pressure, but I had hoped that by that time things would be settled and I could carry on with the efforts in my own times, not feel like I'm forced into a job, that I then pay my boss for letting me do.
I hinted on the playerbase, to be frank as I can't on that announcment, 90% of the players on Legacy were fucking retarded pricks. Freeshard scum who would accuse me of corruption and not caring after I'd just put in 8 hours improving the game for them. I could shrug it off intiailly, but it compounded into yet more reason.
I was working my ass off in a job I only barely liked, whilst my boss was looking over my shoulder calling me a retard and asking for his paycheck.
It's a huge shame, because in all honestly, Legacy's ruleset was awesome. I know I'm biased, but I feel the work I did was perfect, the integrated systems like gem crafting, faction/champ spawn, enhanced and themed loot etc really improved the game. The dungeon I had been working on was looking absoloutely amazing too, territory control in a "game" style setup without the faggotry of CTF and color wars style events.
Pulling the plug was a big decision, trust me, I'd been mulling it over for about 2 weeks, and this last week just proved that I had to do it, I felt bad for screwing over good players who I actually liked, and who actually worked to support the server instead of bring it down. But the way I see it, if they enjoyed their time on Legacy then they lost nothing and had some quality free entertainment.
It really staggers me the amount of shit I had to put up with on a daily basis, I'll give you a couple of examples of pages i'd recieve.
me: Could you please turn off your speedhack
reply: FUCK SAKE, Y DO U ALWAYS FAVOUR UR EURO FRIENDS, WITHOUT SPEEDHACK US AMERICANS CANT COMPETE.
Page: WHY THE FUCK DO YOU LOVE DEXERS SO MUCH, THIS SHARD IS SHIT I DIED TO 3 AIS
Page: hey, do u need gms? i used to work on atlantic as a gm but quit.
me: Legacy does not hire any staff.
reply: FUCK YOU THEN, UR OWN FUCKING LOSE WITH UR SHITTY FUCKING SHARD
I didn't make any of those up, they actually happened, on a frequent basis, then there were instanced of players styealing each others accounts and all paging into me about it demanding I do something.
When I would post updates I'd worked my ass of on, I'd recieve replys like, THANKS FOR NERFING MY CHAR FUCKER.
95% of the players cared nothing for the server, just their own personal enjoyment and destroying whatever they could find. I was hoping for a better playerbase than this, the players I'd actually aimed the server towards, players like yourself and others who understood the underlying principles of what the shard was all about.
I could keep going on, but I think that's the biggest reasons. That and the fact I really need to be focusing on medical problems more than running a server right now, I dislike citing this as a reason though because it's like a pity clause that I don't want, but is actually a very real issue for me right now and the reason I was so absent that last week.
My original plan was simply to pull the plug and say screw 'em. But it was players like you that made me want to leave a quick announcment about it.
It's a combination of things really, I have had very little time to deal with it over the last week due to various reasons, and 1 week without my constant attention caused it to fall into a shit-state. 30 people online at peak, and of those 30, 25 were people I didn't like.
Cost was another factor, there was no way that donations would cover the continued running costs, again due to the type of player making up the majority of the playerbase. Originally I had been promised financial backing, but come opening this was withdrawn (Or completely dissapeared) leaving me with the difficult choice of financing it myself now we're ready or pulling the plug then.
Obviously I chose to pay out of my own pocket because I believed it would be capable of supporting itself because of the type of player it was aimed towards.
Time and stress, like I said in the announcment, the last 6 months have been spent with no lie more than 6 hours A DAY working on Legacy, most times more, and if I didn't do it, it would collapse, I was like Apollo holding up the world, only my shoulders aren't support enough. I knew a day would come when I feel the stress and pressure, but I had hoped that by that time things would be settled and I could carry on with the efforts in my own times, not feel like I'm forced into a job, that I then pay my boss for letting me do.
I hinted on the playerbase, to be frank as I can't on that announcment, 90% of the players on Legacy were fucking retarded pricks. Freeshard scum who would accuse me of corruption and not caring after I'd just put in 8 hours improving the game for them. I could shrug it off intiailly, but it compounded into yet more reason.
I was working my ass off in a job I only barely liked, whilst my boss was looking over my shoulder calling me a retard and asking for his paycheck.
It's a huge shame, because in all honestly, Legacy's ruleset was awesome. I know I'm biased, but I feel the work I did was perfect, the integrated systems like gem crafting, faction/champ spawn, enhanced and themed loot etc really improved the game. The dungeon I had been working on was looking absoloutely amazing too, territory control in a "game" style setup without the faggotry of CTF and color wars style events.
Pulling the plug was a big decision, trust me, I'd been mulling it over for about 2 weeks, and this last week just proved that I had to do it, I felt bad for screwing over good players who I actually liked, and who actually worked to support the server instead of bring it down. But the way I see it, if they enjoyed their time on Legacy then they lost nothing and had some quality free entertainment.
It really staggers me the amount of shit I had to put up with on a daily basis, I'll give you a couple of examples of pages i'd recieve.
me: Could you please turn off your speedhack
reply: FUCK SAKE, Y DO U ALWAYS FAVOUR UR EURO FRIENDS, WITHOUT SPEEDHACK US AMERICANS CANT COMPETE.
Page: WHY THE FUCK DO YOU LOVE DEXERS SO MUCH, THIS SHARD IS SHIT I DIED TO 3 AIS
Page: hey, do u need gms? i used to work on atlantic as a gm but quit.
me: Legacy does not hire any staff.
reply: FUCK YOU THEN, UR OWN FUCKING LOSE WITH UR SHITTY FUCKING SHARD
I didn't make any of those up, they actually happened, on a frequent basis, then there were instanced of players styealing each others accounts and all paging into me about it demanding I do something.
When I would post updates I'd worked my ass of on, I'd recieve replys like, THANKS FOR NERFING MY CHAR FUCKER.
95% of the players cared nothing for the server, just their own personal enjoyment and destroying whatever they could find. I was hoping for a better playerbase than this, the players I'd actually aimed the server towards, players like yourself and others who understood the underlying principles of what the shard was all about.
I could keep going on, but I think that's the biggest reasons. That and the fact I really need to be focusing on medical problems more than running a server right now, I dislike citing this as a reason though because it's like a pity clause that I don't want, but is actually a very real issue for me right now and the reason I was so absent that last week.
YOUR GAMES ARE THE GAYIST THING EVER ACRCADEN CRUSADE WAS EPIC FAIL AND SO WAS ANY THING U MADE WITH A P THE REST WAS JUST FLAT OUT GAY U DONT DESERVE LIFE NO U DONT DESERVE ANYTHING U ARE JUST A GAY MORON WHO NEEDS TO GET A LIFE
The message stating the server was far from over, is this not true then? It's really over?
I will donate myself definetely, I kept putting it off before because I didn't realise the financing you mentioned before had been withdrawn, I guess a small something from a student isn't going to go far in running the server though
I was also suprised at the kind of players on that shard, it doesn't always matter to me who I play against, but I was expecting a very competitive shard but competitive and fair; some of the players just wanted to make it difficult for everyone else and I guess for you too.
I thought the system was brilliant and the pvp was always good, most of the time people were arguing at each other but there was 200% less complaining about the balance of pvp; even Armstrong was always praising it (at least to us heh), apart from one or two minor fixable flaws in factions.
It deserved to work and it should have, hopefully some day it will.
I'm sorry to hear about your other problems and I won't pry into what they are but best wishes for your good health.
I will donate myself definetely, I kept putting it off before because I didn't realise the financing you mentioned before had been withdrawn, I guess a small something from a student isn't going to go far in running the server though
I was also suprised at the kind of players on that shard, it doesn't always matter to me who I play against, but I was expecting a very competitive shard but competitive and fair; some of the players just wanted to make it difficult for everyone else and I guess for you too.
I thought the system was brilliant and the pvp was always good, most of the time people were arguing at each other but there was 200% less complaining about the balance of pvp; even Armstrong was always praising it (at least to us heh), apart from one or two minor fixable flaws in factions.
It deserved to work and it should have, hopefully some day it will.
I'm sorry to hear about your other problems and I won't pry into what they are but best wishes for your good health.
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Hello,
i am a bit confused now, in the statement on legacy25.com it seems like you want to make a break to redesign some features, but in the posting here it sounds to me like the server will stay down forever
i really hope i misunderstood and this awesome server will be back up soon
rl has always priority, so i wish you will get well soon!
best regards
Rhelic
i am a bit confused now, in the statement on legacy25.com it seems like you want to make a break to redesign some features, but in the posting here it sounds to me like the server will stay down forever
i really hope i misunderstood and this awesome server will be back up soon
rl has always priority, so i wish you will get well soon!
best regards
Rhelic
No no, I do plan to bring it back in the future, but I need some real time off, It's nice to know others are interested in rejoining when it does re-appear, I fugre about 75% will simply not bother.. but as 75% of people in a group of 95% of morons that's no loss 
I considered making an announcment along the lines of it will be closing soon, but it would just have caused more of a shit-storm for a longer period of time. I basically want to pull down an iron veil and dump the stress. I'll definalty continue working on development, I want to finish my uber-dungeon for one, and I have many ideas to improve things that couldn't be implimented on a running server.
I considered making an announcment along the lines of it will be closing soon, but it would just have caused more of a shit-storm for a longer period of time. I basically want to pull down an iron veil and dump the stress. I'll definalty continue working on development, I want to finish my uber-dungeon for one, and I have many ideas to improve things that couldn't be implimented on a running server.
YOUR GAMES ARE THE GAYIST THING EVER ACRCADEN CRUSADE WAS EPIC FAIL AND SO WAS ANY THING U MADE WITH A P THE REST WAS JUST FLAT OUT GAY U DONT DESERVE LIFE NO U DONT DESERVE ANYTHING U ARE JUST A GAY MORON WHO NEEDS TO GET A LIFE
Gutted really, but I totally sympathise with your reasoning behind it all. You put up with far more crap than most other people could have done.
I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for L25 in the future - you were really onto something with all your hard work, it didn't go totally un-noticed and un-appreciated.
As Rhelic said, rl is the most important - best wishes for the future, health and all.
I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for L25 in the future - you were really onto something with all your hard work, it didn't go totally un-noticed and un-appreciated.
As Rhelic said, rl is the most important - best wishes for the future, health and all.
Hello,
well first of all thanx for your awesome work! Get well soon. And please really don´t care about some total idiots. I mean it´s just their way of speaking that shows you don´t have to take them serious. Ofc it must be annoying getting spammed with such bullshit.
I really hope you get well again soon and Legacy25 will show up again. Although I didn´t play too much I had much more fun there than in last 1,5 years in UO.
Greetings
Pareto
well first of all thanx for your awesome work! Get well soon. And please really don´t care about some total idiots. I mean it´s just their way of speaking that shows you don´t have to take them serious. Ofc it must be annoying getting spammed with such bullshit.
I really hope you get well again soon and Legacy25 will show up again. Although I didn´t play too much I had much more fun there than in last 1,5 years in UO.
Greetings
Pareto
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When the shard returns will it be likely that it will be a totally fresh start? i.e. all accounts wiped? I am assuming it will be due to the fact that you are aiming to draw in a different audiance, so would need everyone to start on the same level.
It was a good shard from what I played of it, shame to see it go. The guild were definitely enjoying playing there. Although I never really got stuck into the PvP, as I didn't really have the time to get fully set up, I could tell that quite a few of the systems that you'd put in place there had really balanced the PvP. The craft gems were a great system, it was a shame that not enough people put the effort in to test them though. That would have surely made it harder for you to impliment further systems with people not willing to test them. Would have meant you'd either have had to put an insane amount of your own time into testing them or launched them with bugs in them (like EA!). Which would have led to more complaints as you'd have been complained at for having a faulty system or complained at for not spending enough time altering other systems for people! Really makes it understandable as to why you have to shut the server
Thank you for the good times I enjoyed whilst playing there!
It was a good shard from what I played of it, shame to see it go. The guild were definitely enjoying playing there. Although I never really got stuck into the PvP, as I didn't really have the time to get fully set up, I could tell that quite a few of the systems that you'd put in place there had really balanced the PvP. The craft gems were a great system, it was a shame that not enough people put the effort in to test them though. That would have surely made it harder for you to impliment further systems with people not willing to test them. Would have meant you'd either have had to put an insane amount of your own time into testing them or launched them with bugs in them (like EA!). Which would have led to more complaints as you'd have been complained at for having a faulty system or complained at for not spending enough time altering other systems for people! Really makes it understandable as to why you have to shut the server
Thank you for the good times I enjoyed whilst playing there!
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yeh i 2 was one of the guys who had much respect for you noxin, thought ud done a cracking job in face of the retarded freeshard idiots (thats bout all i can call them). i didnt know the backing was withdrawn (take it this was a cetrain ex gm of a guild we both knew? (and i was in 
)) wont mention names aint fair!
thx for the gd times, selling up my osi stuff was a huge choice for me, thought id made the right desicion, think uv finally ended my uo career thou! i was hoping legacy would give me the final thing i craved in uo, petered out into utter idiots like nole etc with big gobs, no manners, no appricieation, taking legacy for what in reality it is/was, a freeshard where they can do whatever they want, and lose nothing really if there an arse, not like they pay!
)) wont mention names aint fair!thx for the gd times, selling up my osi stuff was a huge choice for me, thought id made the right desicion, think uv finally ended my uo career thou! i was hoping legacy would give me the final thing i craved in uo, petered out into utter idiots like nole etc with big gobs, no manners, no appricieation, taking legacy for what in reality it is/was, a freeshard where they can do whatever they want, and lose nothing really if there an arse, not like they pay!
Yes Merc
We started planning for Legacy 25 in the knowledge that finances weren't going to be an issue. But as opening drew closer it became more and more apparent that I was going to have to front it.
All old accounts will be wiped, but a system will be in place to reward those "restarting" it's a neccasary step in order to ensure it works right. With a full team backing the project it will have a healthy future that isn't dependant on any 1 person. Like said, I knew it would become an issue, but I had thought that the server would be in a state where my constant attention wasn't a requirment anymore.
As anyone who matters will likely read this I want to just address some of the bullshit that's flying around. The shard wasn't closed because hacking Japs or staff corruption, it was a decision I had reached before all this crap began.
On the final day I simply wanted to have a bit of fun, knowing it was the final day I created 4 characters for me and a couple of close friends to mess around on, most of the HAKING JAPS were actually already existant chars that I simply changed the name of. I then setup several arena's and a couple of harrowers, during the final harrower I went out and played myself for the first time since I created the server.
One of the funny things is that the lead protagonist on the crusade for the NOXIN IS CORRUPT party actually found a way to access Kristoff's account and found several pairs of inquisitors I had made and forgotten about while setting up my character (I decieded on a dexer in the end as my reactions were terrible after 6 months). What makes it funny to me is that they had never been used and never would have been either, it would have been pretty obvious given that every pair of inquis on the server was known.
Hopefully the trash will believe the stories of mass corruption, they had made it their mission to find corruption since day 1, funny how they never found any until the 1 time I did "abuse" my powers to have a little fun myself.
I also want to give a little more info about medical issues, as it sounds cryptic. I am not terminally ill or any of that nonsense, I have a condition known as CFS/ME which is Chronic Fatigue or if we want to get scientific, Myalgic Encephalomyelitis. You can likely find extensive info about it online.
I've had it for years, but I never like to bring it up or use it as a reason for anything, it's like a pity get-out of jail free card. I don't want pity or excuses, I don't need them. I only feel it's worth mentioning now because it is the reason I was away from the server that last week. Not because I was feeling really bad, but because I was actually feeling really good. I am currently feeling better than I have for the last 5 years, I need to take advantage of this and use it to springboard my recovery. It would be all too easy to slump back. But to do that I need to shed stress and worry and focus purely on recovery.
Again, don't take this as any kind of excuse or any reason to feel sorry for me etc. That just irritates me. I can't stand it when someone uses illness as an excuse.
I actually had a lot of fun working on Legacy, but I'm sure also that everyone playing realizes that it wasn't ready. It became obvious after the first week and I was working to recover it and finish it at the same time as adding new development, it's a fruitless struggle as every 1 thing I'd fix I'd end up breaking again down the line simply because I had to account for the fact that within a week it's old news.
Anothe rpoint I'd like to bring up is that before development started on Legacy I had never touched C# before, which is the language it is coded in. I had to learn the entire language whilst simultaniously implementing the things needed.
While this is the most enjoyable way to learn a coding language, doing so in the space of 3 months, whilst implimenting systems the guys who developed RunUO itself couldn't do.
My primary ability is in Games Design, not coding, throughout my history working with games and such I have only ever learnt enough coding and graphics to implement my designs. This time I had to learn the whole thing, C# is a VERY powerful language. So powerful in fact I intend to work on a second project, a complete single-player game coded in C# from scratch. If anyone's interested in this, I'll likely be publicing the design and coding process in a few months as I'll be using it as a launch design to get me back into work after my recovery.
Because of my plans to utilize an entire development ream on Legacy in the future life will be so much easier for myself, while I expect there to be problems of individual designs and coding overlap, it'll be worth it and I've already ensured that my word is final when it comes to a design for Legacy.
Anyway I'll wrap it up, I just want to provide you guys (the guys who actually mattered to me) with more information, I hated just pulling it down knowing that people who cared about the server would be gutted, and as much as they may understand it's neccasity it's still a slap in the face.
Merc, I'd suggest, Empires at war (15th release), galactic civilizations 2(20th release - this looks awesome - www.galciv2.com ), Oblivion (march 14th release - www.elderscrolls.com) and possibly battle for middle earth 2 (20thish release) though this seems simply a fancy graphics version of every other RTS.
We started planning for Legacy 25 in the knowledge that finances weren't going to be an issue. But as opening drew closer it became more and more apparent that I was going to have to front it.
All old accounts will be wiped, but a system will be in place to reward those "restarting" it's a neccasary step in order to ensure it works right. With a full team backing the project it will have a healthy future that isn't dependant on any 1 person. Like said, I knew it would become an issue, but I had thought that the server would be in a state where my constant attention wasn't a requirment anymore.
As anyone who matters will likely read this I want to just address some of the bullshit that's flying around. The shard wasn't closed because hacking Japs or staff corruption, it was a decision I had reached before all this crap began.
On the final day I simply wanted to have a bit of fun, knowing it was the final day I created 4 characters for me and a couple of close friends to mess around on, most of the HAKING JAPS were actually already existant chars that I simply changed the name of. I then setup several arena's and a couple of harrowers, during the final harrower I went out and played myself for the first time since I created the server.
One of the funny things is that the lead protagonist on the crusade for the NOXIN IS CORRUPT party actually found a way to access Kristoff's account and found several pairs of inquisitors I had made and forgotten about while setting up my character (I decieded on a dexer in the end as my reactions were terrible after 6 months). What makes it funny to me is that they had never been used and never would have been either, it would have been pretty obvious given that every pair of inquis on the server was known.
Hopefully the trash will believe the stories of mass corruption, they had made it their mission to find corruption since day 1, funny how they never found any until the 1 time I did "abuse" my powers to have a little fun myself.
I also want to give a little more info about medical issues, as it sounds cryptic. I am not terminally ill or any of that nonsense, I have a condition known as CFS/ME which is Chronic Fatigue or if we want to get scientific, Myalgic Encephalomyelitis. You can likely find extensive info about it online.
I've had it for years, but I never like to bring it up or use it as a reason for anything, it's like a pity get-out of jail free card. I don't want pity or excuses, I don't need them. I only feel it's worth mentioning now because it is the reason I was away from the server that last week. Not because I was feeling really bad, but because I was actually feeling really good. I am currently feeling better than I have for the last 5 years, I need to take advantage of this and use it to springboard my recovery. It would be all too easy to slump back. But to do that I need to shed stress and worry and focus purely on recovery.
Again, don't take this as any kind of excuse or any reason to feel sorry for me etc. That just irritates me. I can't stand it when someone uses illness as an excuse.
I actually had a lot of fun working on Legacy, but I'm sure also that everyone playing realizes that it wasn't ready. It became obvious after the first week and I was working to recover it and finish it at the same time as adding new development, it's a fruitless struggle as every 1 thing I'd fix I'd end up breaking again down the line simply because I had to account for the fact that within a week it's old news.
Anothe rpoint I'd like to bring up is that before development started on Legacy I had never touched C# before, which is the language it is coded in. I had to learn the entire language whilst simultaniously implementing the things needed.
While this is the most enjoyable way to learn a coding language, doing so in the space of 3 months, whilst implimenting systems the guys who developed RunUO itself couldn't do.
My primary ability is in Games Design, not coding, throughout my history working with games and such I have only ever learnt enough coding and graphics to implement my designs. This time I had to learn the whole thing, C# is a VERY powerful language. So powerful in fact I intend to work on a second project, a complete single-player game coded in C# from scratch. If anyone's interested in this, I'll likely be publicing the design and coding process in a few months as I'll be using it as a launch design to get me back into work after my recovery.
Because of my plans to utilize an entire development ream on Legacy in the future life will be so much easier for myself, while I expect there to be problems of individual designs and coding overlap, it'll be worth it and I've already ensured that my word is final when it comes to a design for Legacy.
Anyway I'll wrap it up, I just want to provide you guys (the guys who actually mattered to me) with more information, I hated just pulling it down knowing that people who cared about the server would be gutted, and as much as they may understand it's neccasity it's still a slap in the face.
Merc, I'd suggest, Empires at war (15th release), galactic civilizations 2(20th release - this looks awesome - www.galciv2.com ), Oblivion (march 14th release - www.elderscrolls.com) and possibly battle for middle earth 2 (20thish release) though this seems simply a fancy graphics version of every other RTS.
YOUR GAMES ARE THE GAYIST THING EVER ACRCADEN CRUSADE WAS EPIC FAIL AND SO WAS ANY THING U MADE WITH A P THE REST WAS JUST FLAT OUT GAY U DONT DESERVE LIFE NO U DONT DESERVE ANYTHING U ARE JUST A GAY MORON WHO NEEDS TO GET A LIFE
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puh - long time since i was here last - guess it was sometime during the DF Area 
I just came here to also ensure Noxin of my understaning for closing Legacy 25. I still feel a bit sad though, but that is for very egoistic reasons since i really enjoyed playing the shard.
Even though i wasnt in game recently due to RL-Issues, i still witnessed the annoying direction the player-attitude took. I witnessed it at the forums and esp. in irc.
(I know that this comming from me will make some people shake their heads and bring a smile to the lips of others, but i ensure you that i dont speak of me wanting to paint the clouds pink on Legacy - i think i've learned to respect some of the values of PvP Playstyle)
oh well - that didnt explain it very good either - so just think what you like
So along with my understanding i would also say thank you for the work you did, the patience you had and the time i had on Legacy 25 due to that. I definately miss the Shard already (the closing just came when i started to get some free time again) and am looking forward to a rebirth.
I wish you all the best for your recovery, incl. the recovery from the grief you get from the Legacy Project.
I dont know if illness can be used as an excuse or not - depends on the situation i guess - but what i do know is that you dont need an excuse at all!
You stated your reasons for closing the Shard, wich is much appreciated and i think this was a good and right thing to do, but there is no need to make an excuse out of any of these resons!
That said i cannot deny that i felt down and was disapointed when the shard was closed, but as i said, this was from very egoistic reasons.
We all tend to take things as granted very quickly without thinking about where it comes from - this might be a little excuse for some peoples reactions.
Oh Well - i never was good with words, esp. not describing complicated things in a foreign language. So Thanks again and best wishes.
still yours
Crest
I just came here to also ensure Noxin of my understaning for closing Legacy 25. I still feel a bit sad though, but that is for very egoistic reasons since i really enjoyed playing the shard.
Even though i wasnt in game recently due to RL-Issues, i still witnessed the annoying direction the player-attitude took. I witnessed it at the forums and esp. in irc.
(I know that this comming from me will make some people shake their heads and bring a smile to the lips of others, but i ensure you that i dont speak of me wanting to paint the clouds pink on Legacy - i think i've learned to respect some of the values of PvP Playstyle)
oh well - that didnt explain it very good either - so just think what you like
So along with my understanding i would also say thank you for the work you did, the patience you had and the time i had on Legacy 25 due to that. I definately miss the Shard already (the closing just came when i started to get some free time again) and am looking forward to a rebirth.
I wish you all the best for your recovery, incl. the recovery from the grief you get from the Legacy Project.
I dont know if illness can be used as an excuse or not - depends on the situation i guess - but what i do know is that you dont need an excuse at all!
You stated your reasons for closing the Shard, wich is much appreciated and i think this was a good and right thing to do, but there is no need to make an excuse out of any of these resons!
That said i cannot deny that i felt down and was disapointed when the shard was closed, but as i said, this was from very egoistic reasons.
We all tend to take things as granted very quickly without thinking about where it comes from - this might be a little excuse for some peoples reactions.
Oh Well - i never was good with words, esp. not describing complicated things in a foreign language. So Thanks again and best wishes.
still yours
Crest
Hmm..
Ofcourse there was the immature players in the Yew Gate forum.
But if you looked at the General Discussion forum, there were new players every second day. People posting about voting.
When people page you with stupid pages like that. Simply use those pre-typed responses rather than throw petrol on the fire. They soon stop.
The trade forum was hyper active. The bug report forum is a gold mine for the RunUO dev team.
Too bad the shard is down. It really is a perfect recipe.
Taking it down entirely rather than letting it wither away is a very good move. I suggest you leave bringing it back up till later rather than sooner hehe.
Try keep it in silence as long as you can. So when it does come back, people will be talking about its return, and that should have the effect of a new shard starting off...
At least you now have a taste for it. Dont give up on creating a freeshard Noxin. You definitly have a nack for it and are still one of the best admins I've encountered so far for a number of reasons.
Seeing as this is the "griefed" forums. You can have a go at me.
Ofcourse there was the immature players in the Yew Gate forum.
But if you looked at the General Discussion forum, there were new players every second day. People posting about voting.
When people page you with stupid pages like that. Simply use those pre-typed responses rather than throw petrol on the fire. They soon stop.
The trade forum was hyper active. The bug report forum is a gold mine for the RunUO dev team.
Too bad the shard is down. It really is a perfect recipe.
Taking it down entirely rather than letting it wither away is a very good move. I suggest you leave bringing it back up till later rather than sooner hehe.
Try keep it in silence as long as you can. So when it does come back, people will be talking about its return, and that should have the effect of a new shard starting off...
At least you now have a taste for it. Dont give up on creating a freeshard Noxin. You definitly have a nack for it and are still one of the best admins I've encountered so far for a number of reasons.
Seeing as this is the "griefed" forums. You can have a go at me.
Some very experienced player ran players gave you serious advice and you through it back in their face because they didnt come from OSI.
You were told if you dont keep the players happy then will leave and tell everyone they meet not to play there, but you took no noitce and look what happened?
I can see your intentions were good but you were trying to create the perfect uo in a select group of peoples eyes. The bola removal for example was complete bullshit, because a few select people complained you removed them within 24 hours with no intention to ever re-add them.
The staff issue wasnt smart you should have accepted applications and hired the most qualified out of the lot. I read on your site that uve only hired trusted people so im guessing that consists of IC which is no surprise since it looked like they were calling the shots before u shut it down.
The money problem.
Many told you that you will HAVE to give rewards for donations or people just wont do it. Its a fact wether u like it or not, people wont part with their money for no reason. After all its a free shard so people rly couldnt care if it goes down or not. Selling PVP Supplies such as kegs, mass regs etc will bring in a nice sum on money per month because people are very lazy.
The shards goal.
The shard was made to force pvp in nearly every situation making it a PVP shard. PVP shards will attract the most retarded,ignorant,childish people you will EVER meet. The people who enjoy hunting and pvping part-time are the people who will be showing more respect towards staff/the shard its self.
The Arena.
Please just get rid of it and have somthing better.
Events.
They are needed to keep people busy and to give people somthing to look forward to.
I said to my guild before i stopped playing last yr that this shard wont last past february if there isnt major changes and whats happened? exactly what i said would happen.
If you cannot handle what ive just wrote then maybe you should reconsider running a shard.
If the shard is reopened then i will check the shard out and consider playing again. A wipe will only make the people who didnt "own" the shard come back and try even harder. Somthin for you to consider.
-Tamer McTame
You were told if you dont keep the players happy then will leave and tell everyone they meet not to play there, but you took no noitce and look what happened?
I can see your intentions were good but you were trying to create the perfect uo in a select group of peoples eyes. The bola removal for example was complete bullshit, because a few select people complained you removed them within 24 hours with no intention to ever re-add them.
The staff issue wasnt smart you should have accepted applications and hired the most qualified out of the lot. I read on your site that uve only hired trusted people so im guessing that consists of IC which is no surprise since it looked like they were calling the shots before u shut it down.
The money problem.
Many told you that you will HAVE to give rewards for donations or people just wont do it. Its a fact wether u like it or not, people wont part with their money for no reason. After all its a free shard so people rly couldnt care if it goes down or not. Selling PVP Supplies such as kegs, mass regs etc will bring in a nice sum on money per month because people are very lazy.
The shards goal.
The shard was made to force pvp in nearly every situation making it a PVP shard. PVP shards will attract the most retarded,ignorant,childish people you will EVER meet. The people who enjoy hunting and pvping part-time are the people who will be showing more respect towards staff/the shard its self.
The Arena.
Please just get rid of it and have somthing better.
Events.
They are needed to keep people busy and to give people somthing to look forward to.
I said to my guild before i stopped playing last yr that this shard wont last past february if there isnt major changes and whats happened? exactly what i said would happen.
If you cannot handle what ive just wrote then maybe you should reconsider running a shard.
If the shard is reopened then i will check the shard out and consider playing again. A wipe will only make the people who didnt "own" the shard come back and try even harder. Somthin for you to consider.
-Tamer McTame