I do agree, but van nistelrooy and rooney were bought 4 yrs apart, it's slightly different.
Can't argue with the guys record, however he has been fortunate to come to the prem the very year the top 2 teams fell apart, and neither looking like making it back to their best.
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I agree i think it would be a diffrent story if he was playing week in agaisnt the up and coming Arsenal or agaisnt the peak Untd squad. But his record so far is unmatched for a manager of his age. I just wonder how he will take it when he comes down the other side of the mountain. I dont think anyone can sustain that level especially if The oil Gularch gets bored and decides to buy a real team like.. ahem west-ham
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Most of those players were still brought by Ranieri. If you look at a starting line up from a few years ago you have Gallas and Gudjohnsen who played, who else? I wouldn't even count that list of players as the core of the squad anyway now.Mercury wrote:the core of the squad is pre mourinho anyway pain
cudicini/terry/gallas/huth/bridge/lampard/cole/geremi/robben/crespo/c. cole/gudjohnson etcetc
mourinho just polished and aquired abit more quality and made them play to potential. look at the current man utd side...
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none of these guys where free now where they.
real madrid squad, assembled at a greater cost than chelsea.
whatever i argue, people will always be bitter at what happened at chelsea because it wasnt there club, and because of how the english public is, hate people with success.
mourinho is a different story, he has won and done, almost everything he could possible win or do, and he's the youngest top manager around. unmatchable and contreversial maybe, the best...definatly.
Man united and madrid tend to make one big signing per year as they actually have to balance the money coming in and that going out. Chelsea don't need to give a fuck about finance or business and can spend whatever they like at a loss, how many clubs will sign two 24m+ players in one transfer window? As well as other players like Del Horno who don't come cheap. The amount chelsea have spent is beyond a joke, in almost one summer window after abramovic took over they spent more than Houllier in his 6 years at liverpool, and people claim he spent too much.
Mourinho the best manager? There's no way he could have taken over liverpool and won the CL like benitez did, but could Benitez have taken over chelsea and won the prem? Easily. Benitez has still got more top medals as well, so I'd rate him above Maureen.
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he is a good manager. his record shows that. and i recon without the money he would still be challenging for the title (be very close) as there KEYMEN are Lampard and Terry.
Raneri had the money etc and did fuck all.
Benitez is a good manager.. in europe. and thats cause of the players he has. Garcia for example. in europe any kind of tough tackle is very frowned apon so players have more Freedom to "Express" themselves. and most of liverpool players are used to that kind of play (the spanish and Italian Leagues are the same) but when it comes to the tough tackling english league Liverpool Flop.
were as Jose i recon might not have won the champs league if he went to the Pikey Capital of England but domesticly he would have done alot better.
i like Jose.. i like his hole im better than you fuck you n00b attitude
we as british are exptected people to have the Charisma of Steven Gerard.
Raneri had the money etc and did fuck all.
Benitez is a good manager.. in europe. and thats cause of the players he has. Garcia for example. in europe any kind of tough tackle is very frowned apon so players have more Freedom to "Express" themselves. and most of liverpool players are used to that kind of play (the spanish and Italian Leagues are the same) but when it comes to the tough tackling english league Liverpool Flop.
were as Jose i recon might not have won the champs league if he went to the Pikey Capital of England but domesticly he would have done alot better.
i like Jose.. i like his hole im better than you fuck you n00b attitude
we as british are exptected people to have the Charisma of Steven Gerard.
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Stupid example. Cup vs League. You and Merc are just fanboys of your own club's manager.pain wrote:
Mourinho the best manager? There's no way he could have taken over liverpool and won the CL like benitez did, but could Benitez have taken over chelsea and won the prem? Easily. Benitez has still got more top medals as well, so I'd rate him above Maureen.
Fakts, Chelsea would still win the league with 1/4 the money they've spent, United and Arsenal are so far past their best, Ferguson has lost it and Wenger's hands are tied by money.Kristoff wrote:he is a good manager. his record shows that. and i recon without the money he would still be challenging for the title (be very close) as there KEYMEN are Lampard and Terry.
were as Jose i recon might not have won the champs league if he went to the Pikey Capital of England but domesticly he would have done alot better.
Just like United will never produce another generation of young players to replace Scholes/Beckham/Gary Neville etc, or find bargains like Schmeichel/Cantona, Wenger dosen't have time to mould players like Henry and Viera again. It's definetely game over for Arsenal and United need a new manager and new midfield to stand a chance.
Its bollocks to say its game over for arsenal the team Venger has will be awesome he has the best young talent of any squad in Europe. If they got 2 really experinced players coming in for the midfield and back i think next season they would be awesome. Also i think loosing veira was very difficult. they will be better than manure next season with a little bit of cash and towards the end they will be awesome 2 seasons time they will win the prem again . Man u i think have more to worry about being taken over by michael moore like that.
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erm what you mean that Van Persie, Clichy, Senderos, flamini, fabergas, larsonn, bendtner arnt going to be awesome when they get some game time and experiance look at fabergas hes already being asked to try and do what one of Europes great players of the last 4 years was doing and hes not had to many critics. im not saying they will all deffinatley become amazing players but i think the strengh they have coming through from the youth team is the best i have seen since Ajax (where they nicked 1 or 2 from) and Manure.
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None of us are experts so it's probably stupid for us to discuss their prospects, I mean remember Arsenal fans initial booing of Henry^^
However I don't think it's going to be possible for either team to reproduce a side to match their recent peaks(both outstanding, one off teams), and they will need to at least match that to think about competing with Chelsea.
However I don't think it's going to be possible for either team to reproduce a side to match their recent peaks(both outstanding, one off teams), and they will need to at least match that to think about competing with Chelsea.
What are people saying chelsea would be close to winning it without the money?
They were bankrupt, they'd be in division 1, none of the players and certainly not Jose Mourinho would want to go to chelsea if it wasn't for the money they have.
They were bankrupt, they'd be in division 1, none of the players and certainly not Jose Mourinho would want to go to chelsea if it wasn't for the money they have.
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wtf? Slight difference between no money and just not having 100 mill a season.
With an average, top european club's money, they'd have still PROBABLY have won the league.. There's no other decent team in England right now. 5 years ago they'd have needed 100 mill a season to catch United/Arsenal. Now they wouldn't...
With an average, top european club's money, they'd have still PROBABLY have won the league.. There's no other decent team in England right now. 5 years ago they'd have needed 100 mill a season to catch United/Arsenal. Now they wouldn't...
I don't agree, Chelsea wouldn't have been near the same last season without players like Cech, Carvalho, Robben, Duff, as well as some of the other big signings like drogba ferreira tiago.Calix wrote:wtf? Slight difference between no money and just not having 100 mill a season.
With an average, top european club's money, they'd have still PROBABLY have won the league.. There's no other decent team in England right now. 5 years ago they'd have needed 100 mill a season to catch United/Arsenal. Now they wouldn't...
As I am trying to say it's not only a question of what they've spent on transfer fees; its the wages as well, the way they have lured people to the club like Mourinho himself who wouldn't have been interested in a small club with no history if it wasn't for the billions of pounds. If Liverpool, Arsenal or Man utd need a new manager there will always be good candidates, and there will always be players who want to play for these clubs. Chelsea did not have that factor before Abramovic imo.
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Yeah kinda agreed. It's all hypothetical though. Say Chelsea only had 40 mill(like united, juve, milan etc used to have), would still have bought them Duff, Robben and Cech... Even Cech isn't that essential when they have Cudicini, etc, etc... Carvalho not essential when they have Huth, Gallas, Terry etc.
They could have spent the 40 mill on Veron, Crespo instead ofc, so we'll never know^^
Football is probably most retarded thing to discuss, becouse we don't know the details and don't understand the game anywhere near as well as the people we're criticising. Dog said "Arsenal have best youth team in Europe" Stuff like that is such bullshit, how the fuck would any of us know that.
They could have spent the 40 mill on Veron, Crespo instead ofc, so we'll never know^^
Football is probably most retarded thing to discuss, becouse we don't know the details and don't understand the game anywhere near as well as the people we're criticising. Dog said "Arsenal have best youth team in Europe" Stuff like that is such bullshit, how the fuck would any of us know that.