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fucking hippy

It's too late to stop climate change, the damage is done. It's just a matter of timescale now and adapating to a changing world.

100% Renewable energy use WILL come about one day, but through necessity rather than choice.

So I would argue it's easier to adapt to a changing climate than to a hippy lifestyle without consumerism.

Let's all live under the sea!

I thought everyone stopped reading the Guardian once they left uni?

Zim Zum wrote:It's too late to stop climate change, the damage is done. It's just a matter of timescale now and adapating to a changing world.

100% Renewable energy use WILL come about one day, but through necessity rather than choice.

So I would argue it's easier to adapt to a changing climate than to a hippy lifestyle without consumerism.

Does make me laugh how right wing denied climate change existed for 20 years, now that it's fact they have changed to this argument:/

Ingo wrote:I thought everyone stopped reading the Guardian once they left uni?

The scary thing is Calix never even went to university.

I CRY FOR YOU CALIX

Hopefully i wil be dead beofre the shit realy hits the fan in the world!

They key to a sustainable economy is putting the responsibility of waste back onto corporations instead of onto goverment. We do not need to change or slow down our progress in technology advancement, businesses can work with each other, waste can be created in a way that it is actually a resaleable product.

The change will happen like zum zum said, it will have to. Ecologists suggest there will be a time, and we're not there yet, that we enter an unescapable downward spiral of degradation of the enviroment. Lets hope we don't change too late.

Oh, an interesting figure I read once (a while ago, so its probably worse now).. The only energy we receive into this planet is from the Sun, and the amount of energy we are using every single day amounts to 10,000 days of input from the Sun.

Dyson sphere's ftw.

The article is ready extremist, in the sense that their opinion is correct, so no-one else's can be.
Our current economical and political systems can be maintained, but we need to adapt to the very obvious lack of resources.
Be it through orbital solar collectors, ion convertors, hydrogen conversion or clean fusion.
These things may sound like science fiction but are very much a possible reality, an orbital solar collector for example is scientifically possible. The difficulty in such a system would be transfering the energy down to the surface. But given a few Trillion dollars it wouldn't be that far fetched to come up with something.
It irks me that these things were discussed as a possible solution years ago and have gone no further. One of the obvious reasons for this lack of development is the loss of profit for those currently in power.

While I agree with the article in some respects, I also disagree that one cannot exist without the other, there is a need for change, but not such a drastic one provided technology is given the resources for development it needs, instead of being held back in the favour of greater immediate profit.

Superfast Oz wrote:They key to a sustainable economy is putting the responsibility of waste back onto corporations instead of onto goverment. We do not need to change or slow down our progress in technology advancement, businesses can work with each other, waste can be created in a way that it is actually a resaleable product.

The change will happen like zum zum said, it will have to. Ecologists suggest there will be a time, and we're not there yet, that we enter an unescapable downward spiral of degradation of the enviroment. Lets hope we don't change too late.

Oh, an interesting figure I read once (a while ago, so its probably worse now).. The only energy we receive into this planet is from the Sun, and the amount of energy we are using every single day amounts to 10,000 days of input from the Sun.

Just a couple of notes on what you said.

Energy never disappears, just changes form. I.e. heat to kinetic, kinetic to sound etc.

Secondly pollution permits are not an effective solution. All they mean are either the richest companies carry on trading at the expense of independents who go bust, meaning less choice for the consumer. Or suppliers simply transfer the cost to the consumer, making no difference to the company. Sure demand and output might fall slightly, but it isn't stopping the pollution.

Money needs to be invested in alternate forms of production, but the only way that will happen is if governments fund it themselves, or they pass laws forcing polluting companies to do it.