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If there's one thing I fucking hate about this country now it's this drive for TARGETS and EFFICIENCY etc. Surely happiness is more important than INCREASING ECONOMIC GROWTH.

Work = stress over targets and efficiency which achieves fuck all, it's retarded.

Discuss.

[W+(D-d)] TQM x NA

Stress is fun, stops the day being boring!

Calix wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story ... 43,00.html

If there's one thing I fucking hate about this country now it's this drive for TARGETS and EFFICIENCY etc. Surely happiness is more important than INCREASING ECONOMIC GROWTH.

Work = stress over targets and efficiency which achieves fuck all, it's retarded.

Discuss.

stress+targets = bonus/more pay

in theory anyway, or thats a carrot that dangles anyway


there was more to this post, but im to tired to think right and was possibally way off the mark

LOL YOU READ THE GUARDIAN!!!!

But seriously, it's pretty obvious why people aren't happy under labour. They are the kings of political correctness and acceptance, too fearful to tell anyone they are doing anything wrong in case they get upset, or worse, punch them.

Under labour all crime has increased dramatically, especially violent crime. Statistics make it look a lot better than it is, because one of labour's key changes has been to change the way statistics are recorded for most things, so crime, for example, is virtually impossible to report now. You call the police to report a crime but you wont get a police officer to come visit you, at best you'll get an "incident reference number" which is not the same as a crime reference number and does not lead to the crime being logged in statistics. If you're really lucky you'll get a visit from a community support officer who doesnt actually have any police powers.

But hey it's not their fault violent crime is up, they like to tell us it's our fault for daring to walk round our streets using mobile phones and ipods. Reading government statements like that really makes me want to go to Westminster, stand on the pavement outside, and happy slap the fuck out of every single labour MP who goes past and tell them I only did it because they were wearing expensive suits and talking like girls.

The benefits payroll has nearly doubled under labour too, something else they like to gloss over. Currently a family with a child or two is better off NOT WORKING unless they earn over £500 a week combined. How many parts of the country have readily available jobs that pay £250 a week after tax, unless you're prepared to work 97 hour weeks?

Labour as usual approach it from the wrong angle, they give out massive benefits to be "fair" to everyone, but because it incentivises people to never actually work, the take up rate doubles. But these people dont get logged as unemployed, because labour has made it easy to get benefits that dont count as job seekers' benefits. You just go tell your doctor you're stressed "LOL I DONT DO ANYTHING BUT WATCH TV ALL DAY BUT IM SO STRESSED LOL, ZIM ZUM ALWAYS KILLS ME IN UO LOL" and then you're excused from work and get the same benefits and some free happy pills thrown in.

So because benefits claims go up and up, we get stealth taxed to buggery to pay for it. Yet if they worked from the other angle, cut benefits and taxes, then people would have more disposable income, and businesses could afford to pay staff more and make it uneconomic for people to stay at home and do nothing.

Im not one of those ignorant people who think we should never give benefits ever, some people really deserve it, but the current payout culture makes me say NO with furious anger!!!

Oh, it's glossed over int hat article but the centralisation point is something I wanted to touch on but forgot. One of labour's key values is to strip us of all national identity and pride we have, remove all sense of community we might have left and turn us into an army of blank eyed, politically correct, labour worshipping zombies from hell. One of the most basic ways to both increase happiness and reduce crime is give BACK a sense of community, make people care about looking after their towns and villagers and make society hate criminals. It's stunning that these days criminals have to undergo such royal treatment. It's precisely why crime pays, even if you get caught you just get told you're a naughty boy, it must have been your childhood, but dont worry we'll make you better and give you a nice cup of tea!

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Can't be arsed to argue why I think tories are 10x worse(appointing john fucking redwood as ECONOMIC ADVISOR probably says enough though), so i'll just say:

SHUTUP TORY BOY

Robbie for PM

Calix wrote:Can't be arsed to argue why I think tories are 10x worse(appointing john fucking redwood as ECONOMIC ADVISOR probably says enough though), so i'll just say:

SHUTUP TORY BOY

Before clicking this thread to see your reply I just knew that would be your retort mr labour. Im not presenting the tories as a good alternative, im just saying that it's incredible how one government with 10 consecutive years in power can only claim to have degenerated society. Tell me one good lasting thing they have achieved. Dont tell me labour spin, tell me what they have doen to make your life better. Ban fox hunting? It saddens me that the general public have allowed them to get away with this total incompetence for so long.

p.s. you know deep down that this will be labour's last term in power for a long long time now.

There isn't exactly much hope from any of the political parties though really.

It'll always be a case of 1 step forward, 2 back in some areas of mis-policy, mis-management etc :\

Zim Zum wrote: quote]

im just saying that it's incredible how one government with 10 consecutive years in power can only claim to have degenerated society.

Agreed, country got pretty fucked due to absolutely no fucking investment in anything other than rich people's pockets during the 80's and early 90's..

Honestly though man, upper middle class people like yourself are never going to benefit from a Labour government. I'm more concerned about lower income families, minimum wage means something to millions. Tories would never have introduced it. Tax credits, the money to set up a 'trust fund' or whatever it's called for all newly born children. Better union rights/recognition. Actual INVESTMENT in infrastructure of our country. This is shit off top of my head @ 5am.

I guess we should judge success on how many communities we can devastate and how many people we can put out of work. Bring back Maggie.

Btw - as to your violent crime statistics, i'd personally attribute it to the disgusting inequality of wealth created by our friends the conservative party during their 18 yrs in power. What do you suggest would have been done to rectify the current situation by the tory party? Lock more people up? It's not worked for them in the past. Maybe they could look at tackling the main cause of crime, poverty? Ok i'm just joking, we're talking about the tories^^

SS soldier J Redwood reporting for duty.

Oh and i'm not 'Mr Labour' I'd never vote for them unless it was to vote tactically against the Conservative party. I'll do anything to keep them out of government.

Current Labour Government is what the Tories would have inspired to become.
New Labour is THE party for the middle classes, not the Conservatives.

The fact is Villa modern technology has developed politics where everyone has access to political insight, and caused an inevitable blurring of the lines between parties, labour become more conservative, conservatives head slightly to the left, and lib dems continue to not really know what they are for except criticising tories.

Also about violent crime Calix. Im a regular visitor to Austria, a country where the average wage is very low, and only the really rich people drive around in top end cars like s classes etc. Wealth inequality is very evident there, just as much as the UK. Yet this is a country which hardly ever suffers crime, especially violent. It's a modern EU country where people still go out leaving their houses and cars unlocked, because they know noone will thieve from them. A country where you can go to a town of 50,000 people and not see one single bit of broken glass, litter or graffiti.

Why is it like this? Simple, they still have a national identity, they are encouraged to take pride in their communities and who they are. They look out for each other and are some of the friendliest people I've ever met. I can compare that to my time living in France, where all the people only cared about themselves, and it's no surprise that France is a country with similar crime problems to England, the modern home of non-identity.

Austria also has a very low tolerance when it comes to criminals. They are quickly tried and punished, with none of the rubbish that happens in England to make sure they get 7 glasses of water a day etc etc. Im not saying they treat criminals badly, but they DO treat them like criminals, none of this pandering to political correctness and associated rubbish. As such it's seen as a real shame to commit a crime in Austria, hence it hardly ever happens. When it does, im afraid to say, it is inevitably a foreigner involved.

You know, whenever I'm in Austria and listening to the radio, you never ever ever hear stories about so and so being raped or killed etc. The news stories are about cultural events, or occasionally a bad road accident or avalanche. Indeed the news programmes are mostly bulked out with world news stories.

Another important difference is you dont get these gangs of out of control youths, because in Austria children get good healthy meals at school and so arent high on additives, and it's a place where discipline is still important.

So I completely disagree that inequality of wealth is to blame, sure it has a slight effect but it's infinitessemal compared to the real reason, which is our crumbling society.

stfu politicians

We just never going to agree Zim^^