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tbh i completely agre with u villa, i would pay more tax for NHS np at all if i knew it went to patient care and not 20 managers fat cat salarys.

as for jobs yeah always a tricky one ive been on the dole and it suxs, work for the win but people abuse the system. they should just give u a job like hrers a factory job go do it. but it would never happen.

trouble is people are too fussy and would rather sit on dole and wait for the right job than do a crappy job till teh right job come along.

Villa wrote:A bit of National Service would be useful in between school and University, IMO.

Best thing i ever saw you write Villa.

Of course the lefties like Calix et al will disagree but it would sort many problems out. A more realistic option is what some european countries have now. come the right age you get the choice of either a military national service or a civil one. So if you are against one you can do the other.

America also has a nice solution. You do 3 ( or is it 4 ) years national service then when you get out they put you through college ( or uni as we know it ) for free. Not a bad return i`d say. 4 years hard work 18-22 then get a great uni education for fuck all. This is definatly one of the reasons that americans treat and think of their military so much higher than we do in the UK and a lot of europe.

I actually don't particularily disagree, should be choices other than military though.

As per the american idea, it's not exactly great. Yeah, it's a way for poor kids to get a university education, only problem is a lot of them get a trip to the cemetary before they can make it.

I'd say there needs to be options other than army, but year a year or two of national service would have probably done me more good!

Calix wrote:As per the american idea, it's not exactly great. Yeah, it's a way for poor kids to get a university education, only problem is a lot of them get a trip to the cemetary before they can make it.

I agree that right now a few american military personel are being killed in Iraq, but if it wasn`t for that area of conflict there would be hardly any deaths if any that wouldn`t happen by natural cause`s in the military.

Also remember that america has something like 150,000 personel in and around Iraq right now, and many more who`ve passed through or already returned home. Then consider that the official number of US loss of life today stands at 1594. Although the loss of any life is tragic and my heart goes out to those families affected that figure is about 1% ( and i know my figure of 200k is way way low, just can`t find the exact ammount atm ) Compare that again to the US total armed force`s strength of 2,656,300 and it becomes kinda clear that your "a lot" isn`t really that many at all.

Don`t get me wrong, i`m all for getting all UK, US and any other nation out of Iraq and let them run their own country as soon as possible ( Hey, i have to go there every year! ) But in light of these figures and weighed up against the benefits of service i`d certainly do my time and be proud of it. ( Of course i DO already serve but if i didn`t I wouldn`t hesitate to volunteer.

I'd happily service you Cara

Buster wrote: Don`t get me wrong, i`m all for getting all UK, US and any other nation out of Iraq and let them run their own country as soon as possible ( Hey, i have to go there every year! ) But in light of these figures and weighed up against the benefits of service i`d certainly do my time and be proud of it. ( Of course i DO already serve but if i didn`t I wouldn`t hesitate to volunteer.

Service personnel are so taken for granted these days, it's almost a travesty.
The day I landed back at Brize Norton, with a load of infantry from 1 Mech, the contrast between us and the Americans was noticeably startling.
With the Americans, there would be like a Hero's welcome - entire battalions would march into a hall to be greeted with cheers - wives and girlfriends would come running out of the crowds to grab their partners.
With our lot, there was nothing. No crowds, no fanfare, no cheering - nothing. It was almost embarrasing - the silence and the sombre funeral like nature of the whole event was so stark.

I don't think enough people appreciate what our servicemen/women have to go through at times, all at the behest of politicians hundreds of miles away, from their comfy offices in the corridors of power at Whitehall.
Therefore, a bit of National Service is definately in order I reckon.

I agree with you Bust, but however you put it, it's still a way of getting poor kids to fight wars for rich kids to profit.

Villa wrote:

Buster wrote: Don`t get me wrong, i`m all for getting all UK, US and any other nation out of Iraq and let them run their own country as soon as possible ( Hey, i have to go there every year! ) But in light of these figures and weighed up against the benefits of service i`d certainly do my time and be proud of it. ( Of course i DO already serve but if i didn`t I wouldn`t hesitate to volunteer.

Service personnel are so taken for granted these days, it's almost a travesty.
The day I landed back at Brize Norton, with a load of infantry from 1 Mech, the contrast between us and the Americans was noticeably startling.
With the Americans, there would be like a Hero's welcome - entire battalions would march into a hall to be greeted with cheers - wives and girlfriends would come running out of the crowds to grab their partners.
With our lot, there was nothing. No crowds, no fanfare, no cheering - nothing. It was almost embarrasing - the silence and the sombre funeral like nature of the whole event was so stark.

I don't think enough people appreciate what our servicemen/women have to go through at times, all at the behest of politicians hundreds of miles away, from their comfy offices in the corridors of power at Whitehall.
Therefore, a bit of National Service is definately in order I reckon.

Becouse no one supports the war we've been sent into.

If we were fighting a war to defend this country would be different.

Being in the army wouldn't necessarily have to mean active service in a hostile country .. national service should give the option to be in active duty or not .. there are plenty of other things to do where you don't need to get shot !

Calix wrote:Becouse no one supports the war we've been sent into.

I suport it 100% as do many people.

depends on yr point of view as to why we went to war, some say WMD or Oil

I couldn`t care less tbh, but i KNOW that the iraqi people are better off now, so i`m happy i did a good thing.

'many' is still a very small minority. Point still stands about why there was none of what Villa wanted.